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| Why Can't You clean A Fipple; Im kinda new | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 16 2010, 08:16 PM (622 Views) | |
| Ocarina Sensei | Mar 16 2010, 08:16 PM Post #1 |
Is Death a part of Life... or is Life a part of Death
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Old topic - closed. -speckles- Im sort of new to the oc, but not to this site I've heard many things about how to clean their ocarina However they always say "DONT TOUCH THE FIPPLE" i've no clue as to what this is but i thinks its part of the mouth piece Please have pictures (if possible) or at least good details Maybe even a video Edited by speckles, May 18 2010, 04:17 AM.
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| Skye | Mar 16 2010, 08:25 PM Post #2 |
Do what you will...
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you knoe the hole that the sound come out of on the back, its inlile with the mouthpiece. That is the fipple. |
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| Ocarina Sensei | Mar 16 2010, 08:30 PM Post #3 |
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Is Death a part of Life... or is Life a part of Death
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oh ok |
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| Ichneumon | Mar 16 2010, 08:38 PM Post #4 |
オカリナ
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Question: Why can't you touch the fipple when cleaning the ocarina? I've always read to just wipe the mouthpiece out with a strip of paper, what can that really do to harm the fipple? |
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| Ocarina Sensei | Mar 16 2010, 08:48 PM Post #5 |
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Is Death a part of Life... or is Life a part of Death
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good one ill edit the title |
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| 杰里米亚 | Mar 16 2010, 08:58 PM Post #6 |
该游戏 <----TRANSLATE IT!!!!
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If you damage it even a little, you're screwed lol |
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| Sigurthr | Mar 16 2010, 10:00 PM Post #7 |
Ocarinist, Recorderist, Welder/Metalsmith, and resident wana-be Norseman.
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The fipple ramp is a super precise thin edge of your oc that makes ALL the sound of your oc, the toneholes while important and crucial are not nearly as fickle or sensitive to damage. The same goes for the windway and mouthpiece.
Edited by Sigurthr, Mar 16 2010, 10:01 PM.
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| kissing | Mar 17 2010, 01:30 AM Post #8 |
there is always time for a song
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The fipple is the edge that the air hits when you blow into it. It is generally wise not to do anything which might damage or manipulate that part, as small differences there can drastically affect your tone. The maker has gone through a lot of effort to get that fipple part just right, so changing it will change the tone of the ocarina from what the maker originally designed.  So if you clean out the airway of an ocarina as instructed here: http://theocarinanetwork.com/topic/101906/1/ Only push the paper in as far as airway. Try not to smack the paper onto the fipple through the soundhole. Edited by kissing, Mar 17 2010, 01:31 AM.
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| Hamlett | Mar 17 2010, 01:34 AM Post #9 |
Just sittin' here blowing doubles
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An ocarina is an example of a Helmholtz resonator. It might help to understand how a Helmholtz resonator works. Warning! An overly long and complex explanation completely out of proportion to the original question follows: The way that I understand it is this: When you blow into the airway, the fipple will force the air in one direction or the other, either into the chamber or out into the room. For the sake of arguement lets say it sends the air into the chamber. When the air presure inside the chamber reaches a certain point the internal pressure pushes the stream of air flowing over the fipple to mostly the outside. This quickly creates a negative pressure inside the chamber. That negative pressure them pulls the air flow into the inside again, where it creates a positive pressure inside the chamber again, which pushed the airstream outward again. So the air stream flips back and forth really really fast. For the ocarina to produce the pitch we know as A, it must cycle in and out 440 times a second. The higher the pitch, the more times the air must cycle. The more holes you uncover, the harder it is to create the necessary internal pressure to flip the air stream back and forth, and the harder you have to blow. Thus, rising breath pressure as you climb the scale. When you do have enough breath to create the necessary pressure, the airstream will cycle faster, creating a higher pitch. The slightest nick on that precise edge of the fipple will change the way the air flow cycles. It will create turbulence in the airstream and change the voice of your ocarina, possibly ruining it. Remember, that edge is just a thin piece of fired clay. The same goes with the airway. It is precisely positioned to send the airstream directly at the fipple, damage it and you create turbulence in the airstream. |
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| ubizmo | Mar 17 2010, 03:24 PM Post #10 |
 
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We had a discussion not too long ago about the word "fipple", in which Walden pointed out, correctly, that strictly speaking, the word refers to the block or plug in a tubular fipple instrument that makes the floor of the windway. See Wikipedia on Fipple. Since ocarinas have no such block or plug, technically they don't have a fipple. Nevertheless, a lot of people, myself included, use the word to refer to the entire voicing of the ocarina, or whistle, or recorder. The edge that splits the air flow is called the labium, and the part that slopes forward from the labium is the ramp. The windway is also often called the flue. If you understand the fipple as simply the floor of the windway, then there's no reason not to clean it, and that's just what a folded piece of paper does. But as everyone has already pointed out, the labium is the most delicate part of the ocarina. Differences of just a few thousandths of an inch can and do affect the sound. This is one reason why two clay ocarinas even from the same maker will not sound exactly alike. Clay is not a material that supports precise manipulating to those tolerances. If you buy a high-end tin whistle from a master maker, you may pay over $1000. What you're paying for is mainly the care that goes into the construction of the windway, labium, and ramp. Metal can be worked to these extremely fine tolerances better than clay. Getting back to the topic, notice that the labium is also one of the thinnest, and therefore most fragile, parts of the ocarina, because of the ramp. If you were to take a chip out of it, that would probably be the end of the ocarina. Ubizmo |
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| Moonsyne | Mar 17 2010, 07:00 PM Post #11 |
☆ Luminary ☆
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I love the terms flue and ramp ... but you'll never get me to use the third one! The whole of it is still 'the voice' of the ocarina to me. It's descriptive of function. |
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| 杰里米亚 | Mar 17 2010, 07:12 PM Post #12 |
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该游戏 <----TRANSLATE IT!!!!
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Psh....simplicity itself. jk, but if people want to get serious about the oc, they should know this sort of thing. kudos |
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| Hamlett | Mar 18 2010, 03:51 AM Post #13 |
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Just sittin' here blowing doubles
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Thanks for the vocab lesson. I'll remember that for my next overly complicated explanation. Flue, Ramp and Labium. Got it. Although I have to agree with Moonsyne. It does sound kinda dirty. Oh well, enough wasting time on the forums. It's time for me to practice blowing on my labium.  (Oh c'mon... That's just funny!) |
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| ubizmo | Mar 18 2010, 07:23 PM Post #14 |
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At least there's nothing dirty about bodacious fipples. Ubizmo |
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| Nanakisan | Mar 19 2010, 10:23 PM Post #15 |
The Insane Lunatic
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*throws 999 Rupees at Ubizmo for that pun* boooooo!!! |
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| Hamlett | Mar 20 2010, 04:20 AM Post #16 |
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Just sittin' here blowing doubles
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 I love it! Kudos for that one!
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| Faolan | Mar 20 2010, 05:32 AM Post #17 |
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Uber Ocarinist
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Ubizmo, you have won the thread. |
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