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| Topic Started: Mar 13 2010, 06:22 PM (603 Views) | |
| Jafafa Hots | Mar 13 2010, 06:22 PM Post #1 |
obsessive repulsive
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my favorite ocarina is now not really an ocarina. It's a Kelishek gemshorn (the real kind). Got it not too long ago. (fingering is almost the same as an oc, so...) It sounds so amazing, deep, resonant, so much more expressive and beautiful, I just picked up some of my ocs today and they sounded flat in comparison. 
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| kissing | Mar 13 2010, 06:24 PM Post #2 |
there is always time for a song
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. . ..... BLASPHEMY! |
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| David F. | Mar 13 2010, 06:34 PM Post #3 |
I WANT YOUR PHOTOS!!!!
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hey if u ever get an urge to give some away i wont stop! you! lol jk but ive never tried a gemshorn i might have to look into it. |
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| Whistle | Mar 13 2010, 06:41 PM Post #4 |
Ocarinist x 2
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What is a gemshorn? |
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| David F. | Mar 13 2010, 06:54 PM Post #5 |
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I WANT YOUR PHOTOS!!!!
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this is a gems horn and i see why he would like it more than an ocarina! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXIAXHLXQOk |
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| esile567 | Mar 13 2010, 11:02 PM Post #6 |
ヘ(^^ヘ)(ノ^^)ノ
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Wow! I want one! 
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| subakuryu | Mar 14 2010, 12:07 AM Post #7 |
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Resident Koopa/Dragon of TON
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It does sound wonderful. But I think I'm too biased against single chambers with such limited range, that I'll stick with ocarinas, haha! Bt it sure does sound nice and resonant though. wouldn't mind getting one for free or fairly cheap. Edited by subakuryu, Mar 14 2010, 12:08 AM.
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| Jafafa Hots | Mar 14 2010, 02:20 AM Post #8 |
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obsessive repulsive
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Mine is higher pitched than that, and I think sounds better... plus - I hate to say this, but, I don't think she's playing it all that well... Heere's a pic of my gemshorn: Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by Jafafa Hots, Mar 14 2010, 08:28 AM.
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| Pumpkin | Mar 14 2010, 11:30 AM Post #9 |
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Ocarinist x 2
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Interesting, but I still think I'd prefer a wooden ocarina to one of those horn thingies, since the range would be too small for my taste. Still, if I had all the money in the world I would probably like to try one of the larger ones, they must sound really haunting and mysterious! |
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| Ikaruka | Mar 14 2010, 11:39 AM Post #10 |
Your humble servant
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We all know what has to done....  Let us all pick up our torches and get rid of this traitor! 
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| kissing | Mar 14 2010, 01:28 PM Post #11 |
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there is always time for a song
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It's a nice, deep sound, but a different kind of sound to the ocarina. An ocarina may not sound as deep and haunting, but a gemshorn doesn't sound as pure and cheery. It's like the difference between a guitar and a ukulele. |
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| Jafafa Hots | Mar 14 2010, 02:01 PM Post #12 |
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obsessive repulsive
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Maybe that's my problem. I kinda don't like cheery.  here's a video with a higher pitched one, a bit higher than mine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxpTlV7xiWs Edited by Jafafa Hots, Mar 14 2010, 02:17 PM.
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| Indigo | Mar 14 2010, 08:57 PM Post #13 |
Shade of Blue
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For all I care, that's just a funny shaped ocarina. It's similar enough. |
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| O'Poltergeist | Mar 14 2010, 09:50 PM Post #14 |
Pink Elephant on Parade
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It's not only similar to an ocarina, it's identical. Just the shape is different and the fingering. |
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| Ocarina Sensei | Mar 14 2010, 11:23 PM Post #15 |
Is Death a part of Life... or is Life a part of Death
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THIS IS MADNESS its just am oc with a different material and shape |
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| Elven Spellmaker | Mar 14 2010, 11:25 PM Post #16 |
== Cirno -- Opinionated Baka == OI SAM, STOP IT XD
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This is coming from the person who sold nearly all his Ocarinas for Ukes! You have no right to call any cards at all. (When is your Triple arriving?) |
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| Veld | Mar 14 2010, 11:57 PM Post #17 |
Musicophilia
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It's the other way around. The gemshorn has been around at least since the 15th century. |
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| ocarina begginer | Mar 15 2010, 12:09 AM Post #18 |
lover of the plastic ocarina
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lol. uke's and gemshorn's are a conpiracy to destoroy the ocarinas!   don't let the enemy take advantage....join the oc army now or die (      )
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| Skye | Mar 15 2010, 12:24 AM Post #19 |
Do what you will...
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Just some wikipedia knowledge. "The ocarina is a very old family of instruments, believed to date back some 12,000 years. Ocarina-type instruments have been of particular importance in Chinese and Mesoamerican cultures. For the Chinese, the instrument played an important role in their long history of song and dance. The ocarina has similar features to the Xun, another important Chinese instrument. Different expeditions to Mesoamerica, including the one conducted by Cortés, resulted in the introduction of the ocarina to the courts of Europe. Both the Mayans and Aztecs had produced versions of the ocarina, but it was the Aztecs who brought the song and dance that accompanied the ocarina to Europe. The ocarina went on to become popular in European communities as a toy instrument." and. "The gemshorn was in use in the 15th century. Examples have been unearthed in Italy, in Hungary and in Germany, including one intact instrument made of clay which dates at least to 1450, as it was found buried beneath the foundation of a house built at that time.[1] The early history of the instrument is not well known, but the oldest known illustration of one in a reference work is in Musica Getutscht (1511), by Sebastian Virdung." The OCARINA has been around much longer, but not nessescarily the styles we have today. |
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| Veld | Mar 15 2010, 12:54 AM Post #20 |
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Musicophilia
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Let's get this straight: vessel flutes with fipples have been around since way back when (it would be silly to name them). The ocarina, as we know it, is relatively recent in comparison with the gemshorn, which predates it by many centuries.
Edited by Veld, Mar 15 2010, 01:09 AM.
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| kissing | Mar 15 2010, 01:16 AM Post #21 |
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there is always time for a song
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This is more a debate of the definition of "ocarina". Both of you are correct, but using the term "ocarina" in different contexts. I think "Ocarina" can refer to either: -Specifically the style of vessel flute Donati invented -Vessel flutes in general Just like the word "Flute" can refer to; -The shiny metal concert flute -A recorder -Any pipe wind instrument with a fipple or blow-across hole  My dictionary defines ocarina as; "wind instrument: a simple wind instrument related to the flute that usually has an oval body, finger holes, and a protruding mouthpiece [Late 19th century. From Italian , literally ‘little goose’ (from its shape), from oca ‘goose’, from assumed Vulgar Latin avica , ultimately from Latin avis ‘bird’." This implies that the "ocarina" (according to the dictionary) is the broad term for the family of instruments, and the word itself was merely invented in the 19th century. They have always been around, known by other names ("clay flute" "clay whistle" etc). The 12-hole ocarinas (and other styles) we play today are merely a modern version of the ocarina popular in our times. |
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| Sigurthr | Mar 15 2010, 01:39 AM Post #22 |
Ocarinist, Recorderist, Welder/Metalsmith, and resident wana-be Norseman.
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This is just another version of the chicken/egg argument. |
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| Moonsyne | Mar 15 2010, 01:50 AM Post #23 |
☆ Luminary ☆
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Now, the chicken/egg argument I actually know some answers to. |
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| Pyromanaic21 | Mar 15 2010, 02:27 AM Post #24 |
the one who loves FIRE....
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I agree with Kissing, I don't think I could have said it better my self. and I would like to hear theses answers you speak of Moonsyne... |
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| Moonsyne | Mar 15 2010, 03:32 AM Post #25 |
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☆ Luminary ☆
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So off-topic it hurts. Sorry! Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Pen_Anima | Mar 15 2010, 05:15 AM Post #26 |
Let me fill the world with art . . . And I shall give you treasures
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Mmmmmm . . .eggggs . .. . . . X3 Well, it is a vessel wind instrument, so is an ocarina.  Both have fipples. And I'm too lazy to read Sam's thing right now . . . .so out oc character of me~ Oh wells~I think its just a tomato tomahto thing. It kinda reminds me of an inline. But oh well. You can say it may be more preference to bass range or what not *once again, too lazy to watch vid* ^_~ |
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| O'Poltergeist | Mar 15 2010, 07:41 AM Post #27 |
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Pink Elephant on Parade
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If you would narrow the meaning of "ocarina" to the Donati type instruments, then pendant style ocarinas wouldn't be ocarinas any more, because they use a different shape and a different fingering, even different material, if they are made from plastic or wood. What I really would like to hear is a side by side comparison between a gemshorn and a Dragon Tooth. The shape appears pretty similar to me, I wonder if you can hear a similarity, too. |
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| Jafafa Hots | Mar 15 2010, 09:01 AM Post #28 |
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obsessive repulsive
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Wel, if anyone is ever in the San Francisco Bay Area, I'm happy to let them contact me and hear and play my gemshorn - or my huaca - or any of my ocarinas, for that matter. |
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| shadowyi | Mar 15 2010, 04:59 PM Post #29 |
is a girl. [音之翼]
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The starting debate aside (I think I might split this off into the Kiln even people become more passionate. Hadn't expected this type of reaction! But. Wow. The sound from this gems horn is amazing! I really like it, but have gotten too used to a double's range to consider it. I did YouTube some other gems horn vids and I agree with whoever voiced it earlier, the one posted in this thread doesn't seem to have very developed techniques and tone.
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| Jafafa Hots | Mar 26 2010, 05:00 AM Post #30 |
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obsessive repulsive
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OK, so now I'm playing my three new Clarke tin whistles (original, sweetone and meg) Wow. Cool sweet sound, super lightweight, THREE octaves (though the top one is mostly for dogs) and the "expensive" model sets you back all of $15. What can I say - I'm fickle. |
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| ubizmo | Mar 26 2010, 01:50 PM Post #31 |
 
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I have a Clarke original and Sweetone, and I don't much like either one. To me, the original takes far too much air to produce a fairly wheezy sound. The Sweetone sounds better but the tone holes are small and harder to control for glides and note bending. I haven't tried the Meg--is that the top of the line? I'm way out of practice on whistles. Ubizmo |
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| Jafafa Hots | Mar 27 2010, 02:51 AM Post #32 |
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actually the meg is virtually identical to the sweetone but cheaper because it's made with a cheaper manufacturing process and materials. I know some whistlers dont like Clarke whistles and prefer others like Generation or whatever, but these were a cheap easy purchase, so maybe I'll upgrade someday to a tweaked whistle or something. |
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| tomg | Mar 27 2010, 04:37 PM Post #33 |
The bicycling ocarinist.
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I have a tweaked Clarke Sweetone and a tweaked Generation. Don't care for the Sweetone at all. It is a bit easier to play than the Generation but the tone just doesn't suit me. Haven't tried any others, so for now the Generation is my favorite. I've only just started playing whistles. Enjoy, Tom |
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