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| Ocarevolution; revolutionising the ocarina. | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 12:04 AM (5,363 Views) | |
| Panch | Nov 5 2009, 12:04 AM Post #1 |
The Whistlemaker
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Hey guys! It's not exactly often that I take such a keen interest in a fellow maker - or in this case, designer - but here goes. Ocarevolutionary's clever designs have definitely caught my attention since their first appearance on STL's shelves. Unique, and with an edgy design, the two currently available stand way out from STL's current stock, in my eyes. Because they're designed by a fellow TONian, and the fact that they're just too cool, I think they definitely deserve their own discussion page in Regional Focus! Anyway! Little bit of added history for flavour here. The ocarevolutionary (or Jordan or OcaRev, etc) has been playing ocarinas for over a decade - they're his favorite instrument, but he's always been frustrated with thier limitations. He found the Compact Double in 2008, and it quickly became his favorite ocarina! That was ultimately what kick-started his creative processes, as the limitations of that oc wasn't something he was exactly willing to put up with. Already an inventor (of roller coasters, among other things!) he started studying, sketching, and testing. While creating working prototypes for each of his inital creations, he decided that while his ocarina improvements are definitely sellable, he'd need help from an already-established manufacturer to realise his visions. Thus far he's come up with significant improvements on almost every ocarina type, which you'll all start seeing soon. Each Ocarevolution product has been developed by Jordan in the US, and is manufactured by TNG. I know we've all had initial misgivings on... certain product traits, but Jordan has specifically mentioned that his designs have enlarged subholes - a bloody huge relief, if you ask me!  That aside, I'm also greatly looking forward to when his other, more radical designs, hit the shelves. The first two of his designs are already available (the Rupee, and the Destiny), and a more formal release of his Ocarevolution line is supposed to seen in coming weeks. Your thoughts, comments, or general discussions on them here! These ocs are only available from STL Ocarina, so I guess you better stay tuned.  Take care! Edited by Panch, Nov 6 2009, 09:26 PM.
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 5 2009, 12:27 AM Post #2 |
ocarina inventor/designer
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Well, thank you mate! It is good to have a place to answer people's questions and discuss in an organized fashion. Accordingly, I request for posters to remember that Ocarevolution is its own brand and I generally will not be able to answer questions about STL Ocarina that do not directly relate to the Ocarevolution line. That discussion would more appropriately go in the STL Ocarina topic. Ocarevolution ocarinas all feature: - fully chromatic fingering pattern (no partial hole covering) - maximum practical range achievable through my own developments - fresh, distinctive design - at least one feature that expands the ocarinas capability or makes it better to play - a neck cord - strives to be light and compact, comfortable to play and wear As pointed out, so far the only Ocarevolution ocarina available is Destiny. After many requests for sound samples (including subholes) I made this (poor) video: link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw7i080K7EA This one's probably better, though I don't use the subholes well: link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPJXCkcWRhY I am looking forward to everyone's questions and feedback, both positive and negative, on Destiny and the upcoming Ocarevolution ocarinas. Keep your eyes out for a new ocarina in a few weeks, followed by a couple very exciting ones in a few months! Edited by ocarevolutionary, Nov 5 2009, 02:20 AM.
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| hylandude123456789 | Nov 5 2009, 02:01 AM Post #3 |
It's hylandude!
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LOL ocarevolution made a post about panch and panch made a post about ocarevoution! Back on topic: Ocarevolution designs are very cool (the destiny is awsome!) and both (ocarevolution & panch) are awsome! you should make an ocarina together! i would buy it even if i had to sell my soul to get it. |
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| Pen_Anima | Nov 5 2009, 02:56 AM Post #4 |
Let me fill the world with art . . . And I shall give you treasures
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Ugh. Thanks for leaving the link. My browser won't show the vid here. >.< But I left a review all the same. Thank you for showing it in play. 
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| Angelodeath | Nov 5 2009, 04:00 AM Post #5 |
Is the Immortal Technique
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I wish you the best of luck OcaRev! I can't wait to own one of your beautiful ocarinas. |
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| Walden | Nov 5 2009, 04:09 AM Post #6 |
An humble ocarina-player.
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I'm anxious to see if the Ocarevolutionary line lives up to the hype! |
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 5 2009, 04:11 AM Post #7 |
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ocarina inventor/designer
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Yah, Me too!! |
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| Jafafa Hots | Nov 5 2009, 05:57 AM Post #8 |
obsessive repulsive
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I like the look of the destiny, I may buy one. I've been thinking for a bit that a transverse is a little uncomfortable for me, but I've found my inline to be even more uncomfortable. It seemed like a sweet-potato style with a somewhat less extreme angle would be more comfortable... and now I find that that's exactly what's been done - looks sort of like halfway between an inline and a transverse... I think the angle might be very comfortable. I'll wait a bit because I just started playing ocarina last month and I already have ten ocs including a focalink triple... I've been too spendy. But a Destiny is in my destiny for sure! |
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| viperdvman | Nov 5 2009, 09:23 AM Post #9 |
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Excellent. Video demonstrations of the "Destiny" straight from Ocarevolution himself. I think you did a really find job on that ocarina, to the point where I want one now. It sounds really good, and is definitely a pretty ocarina That's a win-win for many of us who play the ocarina.You'll get better with the videos, Ocarevolution I can't wait to see more of your upcoming line of ocarinas
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| atkeane | Nov 5 2009, 09:44 AM Post #10 |
Uber Ocarinist X 2
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I've just gotta say that those videos pretty much took out all doubt about whether I wanted one of these. The tone is good, the look is good, though I'm sure there's got to be some negative in there somewhere, but currently I don't see it. |
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| shirf02 | Nov 5 2009, 11:04 AM Post #11 |
Enjoys the Disney Renaissance
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Nice general tone, clear high notes, seemingly easy subholes, and a cool look... nice. Also a nice video, though during the playing there was a bit of buzzing on the higher notes (first vid) |
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| jerome96114 | Nov 5 2009, 11:36 AM Post #12 |
Ocarinist x 3
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Nice to see, that a TON member reates such a cool instrument .... keep it up ocarevolutionary ! |
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| Walden | Nov 5 2009, 09:44 PM Post #13 |
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An humble ocarina-player.
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Ocarev, I was wondering if you had done any experimentation with a double sweet potato, that is side by side with two octaves (such that both octaves' holes are played with the same fingers, together), in the same manner as the round "compact double," which has a pendant inside a pendant. It seems that such a one could be extended, by additional holes, to a range even larger than a typical double ocarina, and could be simple to play, not only in a large range of single notes, but also with interval harmonies. |
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| Panch | Nov 5 2009, 10:01 PM Post #14 |
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The Whistlemaker
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Considering that one or two holes (depends on the ocarina) of the second chamber is split into subholes, then you'd have to cover three holes with one finger, which can get a little troublesome for the purpose you mentioned it'd be useful for. It IS, however, a lot more comfortable... I should know - I've made these, myself.
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| BlessedMeWithHisFire | Nov 5 2009, 10:10 PM Post #15 |
The one and only
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I keep forgetting that OcRev makes ocarinas. They do look nice. Keep it up. |
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| Walden | Nov 5 2009, 10:14 PM Post #16 |
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It seems to me that the subholes would only be useful for the lower chamber, and if one were blowing only in the left windway, the third hole wouldn't be necessary to have covered. Only seven top holes would be needed, as far as side-by-side chambers went, so that you could achieve the same range as a standard double ocarina. |
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 5 2009, 11:26 PM Post #17 |
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That is a fantastic and very interesting idea! Here's what you need to remember though: The starting pitch of an ocarina chamber is determined by its interior volume. Make it longer and it becomes lower pitched. Make it too skinny and it ceases to function correctly. This presents a problem for 2nd chambers. In order to be high enough to not run out of notes at the top, the chamber has to be very small. It is a challenge to accomodate 4 fingers above the chamber. To accomodate 8 would be unthinkable, unless it was a very low pitched ocarina, in which case the hands would have a hard time reaching around. If you are talking about a potato within a potato, something like this has already been done by a known maker, though it is not available on the market. edit - there is, however, another way to increase the range...... Edited by ocarevolutionary, Nov 5 2009, 11:28 PM.
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| Turbo852 | Nov 5 2009, 11:44 PM Post #18 |
 
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Looks and sounds great! I liked the sneak peak diagram that you showed briefly. I look forward to your next designs! |
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 6 2009, 01:13 AM Post #19 |
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I have yet to encounter a perfect ocarina; Destiny is no exception. For example, without the correct technique, it is probable that the very highest note or two may not sound as you would have them. For $59.50, however, I have little doubt you will be pleased. |
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| viperdvman | Nov 24 2009, 06:47 AM Post #20 |
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I'd love to see the "Destiny" in other keys too, besides Alto C. I'd love to see a Soprano G and Soprano C too
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 25 2009, 09:29 PM Post #21 |
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Just like with coloring options, if Destiny sells well it will eventually be offered in other keys. By the way, those wanting sound samples will want to check out the two samples that have been added to STL Ocarina's site. These are samples (my playing) were recorded and modified by a friend (slight reverb/fade-out added) The first is the well know classical prelude, Waechet Auf by J. S. Bach. The second is "One Summer's Day" from Spirited Away by Joe Hasaishi. |
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| markal363 | Nov 25 2009, 11:06 PM Post #22 |
A Woodwind Doubler
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Hey! Hey! Hey! You and Johann, watch your language!
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| viperdvman | Nov 26 2009, 05:34 AM Post #23 |
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Is that pronounced how I think it's pronounced? Good God, Alabama...we have some sick minds here at TON 
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| markal363 | Nov 26 2009, 06:49 AM Post #24 |
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No, it's just me being sophomoric. Ocrev has a little typo. It's actually "Wachet Auf" not "Waechet". In English it's known as "Sleepers, Wake" but a more literal translation is: "Keep Watch On" or it's full title "Awake, A Voice Is Calling". Ok, Ok, I know.....TMI Edited by markal363, Nov 26 2009, 07:06 AM.
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| ocarevolutionary | Nov 26 2009, 05:46 PM Post #25 |
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I can't believe I spelled it wrong! You're sick minds are pretty funny because my mother, a sweet, reserved, goody two shoes kind of person and her friends would actually refer to the prelude as "whack-it-off". Anyway, enjoy the music. |
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| markal363 | Nov 26 2009, 08:15 PM Post #26 |
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BTW, Ocrev, your playing of "Whack-it-off" by J.S. Batch was really well done. |
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| viperdvman | Nov 27 2009, 01:48 AM Post #27 |
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Oh I could go on all day with the Wachet Auf jokes... but I gotta keep it PG here I like the song too, Ocarev |
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| ocarevolutionary | Feb 14 2010, 09:16 AM Post #28 |
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I have been relatively silent on TON for a while because I really haven't had much news...(sales of Destiny have been pretty ho-hum) but.... ...something BIG is coming very soon... ...something that will finally live up to the name "Ocarevolution". A lot of work has gone into it and it is finally ready. I keep you all posted. Spoiler: click to toggle (it's prototype C and it is no longer a prototype. Prototypes A and B need just a little more love before releasing them.) Edited by ocarevolutionary, Feb 14 2010, 10:47 AM.
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| Faolan | Feb 14 2010, 09:28 AM Post #29 |
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WHY MUST YOU TORMENT US WITH SWEET TEASES?! |
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| ocarevolutionary | Feb 14 2010, 09:33 AM Post #30 |
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I'm sorry, I really won't say too much just yet...but maybe if you click the spoiler..... Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Moonsyne | Feb 14 2010, 09:45 AM Post #31 |
☆ Luminary ☆
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That's just mean. |
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| shirf02 | Feb 14 2010, 10:33 AM Post #32 |
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 Your lack of information disturbs me. |
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| Angelodeath | Feb 14 2010, 05:32 PM Post #33 |
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Is the Immortal Technique
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Grrrr. I will be watching you.... lol |
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| Bateleur | Feb 14 2010, 06:21 PM Post #34 |
We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams.
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I can only wonder if it's anything to do with the compact double you spoke of improving in the past. And I wonder if it had anything to do with the picture you "mistakenly" held up in your Destiny demonstration video.
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| Kiniko | Feb 14 2010, 07:18 PM Post #35 |
<3 Lolicon
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*whack* stop teasing us! |
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| Faolan | Feb 15 2010, 05:32 AM Post #36 |
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I've got my eyes on you
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| ivanduzer | Feb 15 2010, 04:12 PM Post #37 |
Exit, Pursued By a Bear.
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The suspense is killing me! GAH! |
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| Kiniko | Feb 17 2010, 12:40 PM Post #38 |
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Mr. Ocarevolution!!! .... I don't get it. What can't we see from there that help's it's range? Cause from that photo it just looks like an obese WPN double |
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| sirhalos | Feb 17 2010, 02:19 PM Post #39 |
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We will have to wait and see. My guess is there is two hole for thumb on right hand if and only if we are not talking about overblown notes. |
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| O'Poltergeist | Feb 17 2010, 02:30 PM Post #40 |
Pink Elephant on Parade
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A kind of cross fingering for the higher chamber would be my guess from the size of the holes. |
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| Elven Spellmaker | Feb 17 2010, 05:12 PM Post #41 |
== Cirno -- Opinionated Baka == OI SAM, STOP IT XD
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The subholes look slightly better however... |
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| Panch | Feb 17 2010, 06:33 PM Post #42 |
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I'd have guessed that there was a double fingering-hole on the bottom of the second chamber, but I kinda doubt it as that's been done before. Dang, I wonder what he did... |
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| Bateleur | Feb 17 2010, 07:32 PM Post #43 |
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It is my guess that there is no thumb hole on this double's second chamber. From what I can see, it looks like it's a four-hole cross-fingered second chamber with a range of one octave, but there's also an extra hole for the highest note, an F. Seeing as how the second chamber would start on an E, (unless the insane has been done, a second thumb hole on the first chamber!  ) the second chamber would then have the range of an octave + 1, like a 5-hole English Pendant.Well then, this is my hypothesis. I remember guessing this exact design months before the rupee ocarinas came out.  (but there's always the good chance that I'm completely off on the design of this ocarina.  )
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| ocarevolutionary | Feb 17 2010, 09:11 PM Post #44 |
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Well, once again, the director of STL Ocarina has beat me to the punch. This ocarina does indeed have 3 notes (5 chromatic notes) above the usual range. There is no crossed fingering! That is too difficult to play and I gave up the idea long ago. How is it done? It was no easy feat to accomplish. I knew that the second chamber could produce more than the usual 6 notes, even without overblowing/overtones. The reason it hasn't already been done is the shape of the second chamber is long skinny, and so many of the potential notes are used up by tuning holes that it cannot accommodate more toneholes. That is until the ocarevolutionary went through a ton of work and many prototypes to get to change the shape of the second chamber so that it can accommodate a very large thumbhole (about the size of the other thumbhole). Starting from the highest note of a standard double ("C"), opening the thumbhole would raise the pitch to a high F. By using a simple combination of the toneholes that are already on the top of the ocarina in conjunction with the thumbhole, the player can perform C#, D, D#, and E as well. This is no more difficult than playing the other notes of the second chamber. The great thing is that the altered shape of the 2nd chamber gives some great advantages otherwise. The skinny 2nd chambers of standard doubles provide a weaker, airier tone that does not match the sound of the first chamber well. The wider, rounder ocarevolution chamber matches very well, with a very strong tone. When I play a triple, I don't really use the 3rd chamber. Why? Chamber swithching! I hate it. This ocarina eliminates that need between the 2nd and 3rd chamber because there is no 3rd chamber, but nearly as many notes. A chamber with only 4 notes does not deserve to exist! The ocarina is about the same size as Destiny (it can hide behind it actually) and I strived for a sleek and organic (not obese, grrrr) look. It is blue edged green (the picture on STL Ocarina's site is a bit dark). It features an very ergonomic positioning and a neckcord. I will do some videos as soon as I receive the final product by the end of the week. When playing the final prototype, made by STL's makers, I absolutely fell in love with it and it was very hard to send it back! I will provide more information when possible and I will try to make myself available to answer questions. Edited by ocarevolutionary, Feb 17 2010, 09:19 PM.
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| Bateleur | Feb 17 2010, 09:38 PM Post #45 |
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So I see I really was pretty far off. I find this design to be rather intriguing. It has an extended range, yet it still holds to the linear finger patterns of a transverse ocarina... I am very curious as to how close the two chambers actually sound together. Hind's extended range Double Alto C is somewhat rounded like this ocarina, and it has excellent consistency between the chambers as well (or is it due to the fact that the second chamber uses as much breath as the first?) I don't know, I'm just babbling. I look forward to your sound samples. By the way, is that a tone hole I see all the at the base of the ocarina's mouthpiece, or is that neckstrap slot that goes through the neck? Edited by Bateleur, Feb 17 2010, 09:40 PM.
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