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| Topic Started: Sep 10 2009, 10:18 PM (2,506 Views) | |
| Rob The Bob | Sep 10 2009, 10:18 PM Post #1 |
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Inspired By Zelda
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Old topic - closed. -speckles- Hey guys! I'm new to TON. My dragon tooth ocarina is coming in today and I can't wait to play it. I haven't started playing the ocarina yet but I have already fallen in love with them. For a noob like me, I know it's strange to ask what the best triple ocarina is out there, but one day I would love to learn to play one. After that Hungarian Dance song I just couldn't get the though of a triple out of my head. So, money isn't a factor here. In terms of sheer quality and greatness, what do you think the best triple ocarina is? I've heard tons of great things about Maparam, but since I'm a noob I wanted to ask some of you who actually know a lot about ocarinas. The main three I can find are the Maparam, the STL variants, and the Focalink triples, but if there are any others out there that match these in quality, please share! Oh, and don't even get me started on the STL quadruple. I can't even find a vid of someone playing that monster. Thanks everyone! Sincerely, Rob Edited by speckles, May 18 2010, 04:31 AM.
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| mikona | Sep 10 2009, 10:31 PM Post #2 |
Know-Nothing Neebie (see blog)
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There's a lot of conflict about quadruples in general, especially the STL, but as far as triples go... Maparam makes wonderful ocarinas, and the Mapram triple was voted the TON oc of the year, I believe. Focalink has two different styles of triples, regular and Forte, which (someone correct me if I'm wrong - I don't own one personally) tend to take extra breath pressure but are much louder, and I believe more expressive. TNG/WPN (aka STL) triples... I don't know anything about them. I don't own any of these kinds of ocarinas, and I'm not totally sure exactly who on here does... Some people have poor experiences with STL, and if it turns out there's something wrong with your ocarina, STL has no return policy, so you're stuck with what you get. Both Focalink and Maparam are safe bets. The Focalink Forte and the Maparam are known to have earthier, mellower tones, while the regular Focalink is said to have a very clear tone. It all depends on your tastes. But hey, play your Dragon Tooth for a while before getting a double or triple. As awesome as Hungarian Dance and Flight of the Bumblebee are, I've never felt an overwhelming desire to go higher than my double allows. Think a while before investing the money in a triple. |
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| Rob The Bob | Sep 10 2009, 10:45 PM Post #3 |
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Inspired By Zelda
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Thank you for the informative reply! I will definitely play my dragon tooth before thinking about buying a triple. The focalink triples are actually only $335 off the songbird website (I believe they cost more if you go directly through focalink, and the one on songbird is a regular not a forte btw) Oh, and what is the conflict with the quadruple? I don't know anything about the quadruple other than it exists. Just curious. |
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| mikona | Sep 10 2009, 10:51 PM Post #4 |
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Know-Nothing Neebie (see blog)
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From what I've gathered reading topics, in general, many quads just seem excessive. I kinda have to agree. Triples go high enough for pretty much anyone interested, and as of yet there's no quad currently available that has a more agreeable range - people were saying they would be more inclined to buy it if it was say a bass quad, so that the ocarina won't kill so many ears when it hits the higher registers. My opinion is that quads have yet to get anywhere near perfected, and if I consider one, it will be when people have figured out what the consumer really wants in a quad and can furnish it better than it is now. STL's quad is particularly conflict-inducing because... it's STL, basically. |
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| kuraisong | Sep 10 2009, 10:52 PM Post #5 |
The "Dark Song" singer
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Well, the majority of it is that STL super glued a small whistle to the ocarina and called it a fourth chamber. |
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| Rob The Bob | Sep 10 2009, 11:05 PM Post #6 |
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Inspired By Zelda
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Oh man that's bogus. I'll have to stay away from that one. |
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 11 2009, 12:02 AM Post #7 |
Ocarina maker
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The quadruple is awesome!Its range is much larger than the normal triple ocarina. Double ocarina=A4 to C7 Triple ocarina=A4 to G7 Quadruple ocarina=A4 to C8 Please take this into consideration.The STL quadruple ocarina has a wider range than the standard triple ocarina.I say that the quadruple ocarina is worth it.(And it looks cool to!) -Desmond |
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| DavidRamos | Sep 11 2009, 12:07 AM Post #8 |
Behold my Ocarina Club.
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Being the only person on TON to actually OWN the Quad, I can tell you with great confidence...the Quad is NOT awesome. It doesn't matter which brand makes it...they're super expensive, they're large and cumbersome, and the fourth chamber is a dog whistle. In short...it's a big waste of money. |
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| Andy | Sep 11 2009, 12:08 AM Post #9 |
★ C'est La Męme Chose ★
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The point is - you don't really need a quad, Desmond. Ah, David was faster. >: Edited by Andy, Sep 11 2009, 12:08 AM.
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 11 2009, 12:12 AM Post #10 |
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Its the extra notes that make me favor the quad over the triple.I am actually saving my lunch money now so I can buy the STL quadruple.But from examining the information given on the site and videos the quad is awesome. -Desmond |
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| Andy | Sep 11 2009, 12:22 AM Post #11 |
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★ C'est La Męme Chose ★
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Why would you spend that much money if you are never gonna use it properly? You already have a triple ocarina so you want to spend $499 (Which is totally overpriced) for a few new notes? It's a complete waste. Save your money for other ocarinas or you'll regret the purchase. |
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| Pen_Anima | Sep 11 2009, 12:26 AM Post #12 |
Let me fill the world with art . . . And I shall give you treasures
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David- I'm SO glad that you put that out there, david *glomps* Why? Because it's STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSE'S (or ocarinist) MOUTH! I faved your playing on it on youtube and thought it was marvelous. But already knowing the crazy expensive price kept me safely away. (Yes cheap bas**rd.) Plus, Dessy, . . . .How does one 'chamber' add three notes with no other holes but than the ONE chamber itself?  Seriously, I've never owned a trip or quad. *cough cough* But to answer your question. Focalink would be more accessible. But if you're just getting your first oc, play that for awhile. Unless you customed the oc on phone, I'm sure you have an alto range dragontooth. You may not even like alto and want to go at a tenor range. Your first ocarina is the one you set your standards and taste with and helps with what category you'd like to invest in.  So go at it and play your little heart out! ^_^
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| ForestsRequiem | Sep 11 2009, 12:27 AM Post #13 |
Formerly Ocarinaman333
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Desmond... I think we should trust David when he says that Quads are a waste! Not to mention, The Forte can play up to D8, one note higher than the TNG Quad. Seriously, let not turn this into a TNG quad thread(don't we already have ~8,000?)!!! For triples I would advise that you look into... Focalink Focalink Forte MapAram Noble I would also recommend that you consider a Double(I love mine)... Focalink(I have this )Focalink Forte MapAram Noble Hind If you have any questions about any of these ocarinas, please ask, I'll be happy to answer to the best of my ability! |
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 11 2009, 12:30 AM Post #14 |
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Ocarina maker
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There is one hole on top and one hole on bottom.Adding 3 notes. |
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| Kalasinar | Sep 11 2009, 12:34 AM Post #15 |
Colour-Blind Hedgehog of Great Britain
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Desmond, wouldn't saving your lunch money just take forever as well to get the quad?! Take David's advice, especially as he actually owns it and has been kind enough to give his advice in the first place (thankyou David!). I think any ocarinist could put their money to better use, perhaps you could try a different make of ocarina for a change, and you'd be paying way less than what any quad ocarina maker demands. You could build up a neat and extensive collection of ocs with that money. On Topic - Rob the Bob, my answer to which is the best triple is Focalink, i'm not personally sure about Maparam, though i hear they're good, but a little pricey. Focalink is cheaper i think. Someone suggested Noble and Hind, they're good places to look too - have a good look around before you make a decision, read/watch some reviews. But get to know your Dragon Tooth better first, then decide whether you need a triple. You might be fine with just a double in future, who knows
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| Pen_Anima | Sep 11 2009, 12:40 AM Post #16 |
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Let me fill the world with art . . . And I shall give you treasures
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Ok, got off my lazy ocarina and looked back at the site. You mean the jimminy criket stick poke? XD But I wasn't able to see the other holes, none provided. Though Stl does state the C8 thing. Still. David, with experience and kind enough to share has, given his word on it. ^^ Sorry for the offtopic thing, I don't have anymore opinion on it. Just what I said before is all. ^^ |
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| Armisis | Sep 11 2009, 12:42 AM Post #17 |
Paradoxical Enigma
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I vote for two triples that I personally have: 1. Focalink's Forte Triple for that big loud well developed sound 2. Claudio Colombo's Triple for that mystical pleasant oc that feels like it was made with love and a pinch of magic by loving hands. |
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| LionHeartOcarinas | Sep 11 2009, 01:03 AM Post #18 |
An Ocarinist in training
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you know desmond, you should listen to David. hes like an ocarina prodigy on TON (if not a GOD) and anyways, unless you want to destroy the audiences( or anyone's) eardrums, i suggest not to get it. its common sense. either that or just use it to call dogs at your bidding. lol BoT: ill go with everyone else. Maparam is an exellent choice. Focalink is too. but i just depends on your taste of the sound. Focalink has a crisper tone (like everyone on TON says who owns it) Maparam has a mellow tone (like everyone on TON says who owns it) but Focalink has a nice shape to it, little different but it looks cool. but sound is more important, but the looks are important too. its your choice. but i am leaning towards the Focalink, cuz i THINK its cheaper. and i think it still has the shipping delay thing (right? im late on news lately) |
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| shirf02 | Sep 11 2009, 01:12 AM Post #19 |
Enjoys the Disney Renaissance
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However, if you want a bass triple, I think STL is the only place stocking them. Otherwise I'd just go with the companies previously mentioned. |
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| kissing | Sep 11 2009, 02:34 AM Post #20 |
there is always time for a song
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Focalink and Maparam Triples are my favourite ocarinas. You really can't go wrong with them. Just keep in mind that if you order from Focalink, you'll receive your ocarina straight away. Maparam may take a bit longer, since Min Soo Kim (Maparam's maker) tends to make the ocarinas fresh on order (doesn't keep much stock). As for the Quad, if its something you genuinely want and will make you happy, go for it Desmond Its your money and if it makes you happy, that's your decision. But as a friend, I would advise that you stick to your Triple and focus on improving your skills on it. I imagine that the Quad is practically the same thing as the Triple.. just with an extra chamber that I bet you'll hardly use at all (as David explained as well).I think you're spending the money based on hype and impulse. But in the end - its your money I'm saving up my lunch money for a steel-string electric ukulele, and several people are telling me why I'm getting another ukulele.. especially when I already do have an electric ukulele. WELL THEY'RE NOT THE SAME AS ONE I'M SAVING UP FOR  I understand you Desmond
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 11 2009, 02:53 AM Post #21 |
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Im not sure if its just me but I think that the extra notes really do matter.Either that or im just weird or something.I have never understood this,The more ocarinas you buy the more you want  -Desmond
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| Dhalphir | Sep 11 2009, 02:59 AM Post #22 |
Opinionated Jerk
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i understand the desire for more ocarinas, but desmond you really should listen to David, since he is the only person on this forum who actually owns the quad. |
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| King Ocarina | Sep 11 2009, 03:11 AM Post #23 |
Pére Poches Drôles
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@ Desmond: I recently saw somewhere on the forums that the triple in fact (you cannot deny this, don't even try) has the ability to play I think 2 or 3 more notes than the quad. How you ask? The overblow holes. I remember seeing a video of somebody playing a noble triple or something and proving (again, don't even try) that it is possible. Since your math tells your that one extra hole means three extra notes, I thought you should know that. Listen to the one person who owns the quad, as he is more experienced, talented, and knowledgeable than you. *As a matter of fact, try listening to anybody with common sense. @ Rob 1st, welcome to the forums. My biggest recommendation is I don't think you should be looking into a triple ocarina even before you receive your first sweet potato, but if you really want to, dive in head first. Each brand has their pros and cons. Maparam: p: Generally agreed upon to be one of the best ocarinas on the market.  Thus, it's also one of the most expensive. Focalink: p: Also thought of to share the 1st place position with Maparam, but with a clearer/purer sound against Maparam's earthy and whole tones. I can't really think of an influencial con. It's middle of the road in terms of price, and if you order from Songbird I would assume shipping times would be faster (though I have been proven wrong on that before).STL: p: One of the cheapest triples out there, and come in the widest selection of aesthetics. If you have a problem with your ocarina, too bad. STL is widely known as having the poorest customer service of all the ocarina sellers. Even if your box contains an empty bag of cheetohs and a cigarette butt, STL would probably try to turn the tables on you and some how make it your fault as they have to other members of this forum. Generally, I think a focalink is your best bet. Excellent customer service from either source, very fair price, tried/true and trusted sound (that I personally favor over all other brands), and a very attractive and unique look. Edited by King Ocarina, Sep 11 2009, 03:12 AM.
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| DavidRamos | Sep 11 2009, 03:31 AM Post #24 |
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Behold my Ocarina Club.
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@kingocarina There's actually two holes in the fourth chamber: one on top, one on bottom. What's interesting is that with just those two holes, the fourth chamber can play all the notes of the third chamber, up to the C8, lol. Don't ask me how that's possible, but it's very awkward because it requires you to partially cover the bottom hole in several positions. To get those additional 3 notes, you half-hole the bottom for A7, uncover it for B7, and finally uncover the top hole for C8. I'll have to make a video sometime to show y'all
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| Angelodeath | Sep 11 2009, 03:49 AM Post #25 |
Is the Immortal Technique
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Yes David you must! I remember OcaRev talking about a similar effect with the Compact Double. It is a very interesting concept.
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| pyrateknight | Sep 11 2009, 04:02 AM Post #26 |
☠ Swashbuckler Extrodinaire ☠
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A good triple to start with would be the Focalink Dolce model triple. It fits the hands nicely has a sleek shape and playing the notes is remarkably easy even for the high end notes. |
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 11 2009, 09:51 PM Post #27 |
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Wouldent another chamber with extra holes like the quad be much more comfortable to use than some crazy overblow notes? Also the STL quad has one hole on top and one hole on bottom.NOT ONE HOLE |
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| Krešimir Cindrić | Sep 11 2009, 10:16 PM Post #28 |
In love with Ocarina di Budrio
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@kingocarina: not any triple, but Focalink Forte triple can play one more note than TNG/WPN quad. @zombiefewd1: overblowing is actually very easy (even easier than switching chambers). You only have to memorize a few extra finger positions. I use this technique on my Menaglio Sol 2a (SG) ocarina all the time to play up to 4 semitones above the top regular note. Really, nothing crazy or uncomfortable (like, for example, the "O-tone" which is  ).
Edited by Krešimir Cindrić, Sep 11 2009, 10:21 PM.
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| Rob The Bob | Sep 12 2009, 06:15 AM Post #29 |
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Inspired By Zelda
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Thanks everyone for the replies! It seems like people lean more towards the focalink, but are you guys talking about the normal focalink or the forte (I assume the regular)? The Maparam sounds great but doesn't look as nice as the focalink in my opinion. The Maparam looks sorta bland I had first ordered the muse ocarina from songbird and it got here right away. Unfortunately, I had canceled the order so I had to send it back so I could use that money to get the dragon tooth. Songbird apologized that they didn't cancel it (very kind) and told me to play a few notes. It was SO HARD to repackage the muse and return it! It sounded SO nice, but I wanted something a little louder/higher pitched so I could play more of the Zelda songs and the people at Songbird told me their new batch of dragon tooth's were AMAZING. So hopefully, I won't have any regrets. To be honest, David inspired me to pick up the ocarina as soon as I saw his youtube vids. Thank you David! And a big thanks to the rest of you for your suggestions! |
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| moomaster | Sep 14 2009, 01:10 AM Post #30 |
the master of moo
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i really love focalinks but i think the maparam sounds better, though the focalink looks cooler ^_^ and heres a vid of the quad oc from STL though i dont believe he uses the full range, and i wouldnt recomend it, read the sidebox in the video to see why http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3ax35lu9g |
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| Dhalphir | Sep 14 2009, 01:16 AM Post #31 |
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the maparam is a little bland but it does look MUCH better in person I used to think the Maparam looked silly but since getting one, its fantastic I love both the triples I've had equally, the Forte Triple and the Maparam Triple. However, if I absolutely HAD to choose the best triple ocarina, I would say the Maparam. It has the best combination of quality of sound and ease of playing that makes it comfortable to play, it is a relatively small ocarina so its not heavy or cumbersome to play like the Forte Triple, and it is also very professionally made. The Forte Triple does, in my mind, have a better sound quality than the Maparam Triple. however, if you're comparing them directly, the Forte has slightly better sound quality at a cost of : being a LOT heavier, being bigger, taking more breath and better breath control to play well, and being significantly more expensive. |
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| Rob The Bob | Sep 14 2009, 01:27 AM Post #32 |
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What is the big difference between the regular Focalink and the Forte Focalink? Oh, and another question, the forte double is only listed at around $170 I believe while the forte TRIPLE is listed as a whopping $500?! What gives? Why the giant price difference? |
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| Dhalphir | Sep 14 2009, 01:43 AM Post #33 |
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Not bein an ocarina maker I can't say for sure, but at a guess, the triples are an exponential jump in difficulty to make compared to a double. and the main difference between the Focalink Triple and Focalink Forte Triple is the Forte is louder, more expressive, uses more air, and is more challenging to play well. Edited by Dhalphir, Sep 14 2009, 01:48 AM.
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| Elven Spellmaker | Sep 14 2009, 02:00 AM Post #34 |
== Cirno -- Opinionated Baka == OI SAM, STOP IT XD
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The Forte model I own is great, compared to the Double SG I own I can safely say that Forte models are an improvement. I would say in tone my Forte Triple is comparable to my WPN Ocarinas (STL) but slightly richer. And Zombie, I agree I want those extra notes, but from Zack not TNG. (Ignore the overblow notes on the Forte they arn't feasible for fast songs, or if you want to have ears and breath pressure left after playing them.) |
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| moomaster | Sep 14 2009, 02:24 AM Post #35 |
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ya forte ,akes it louder due to adding more needed breath pressure, and it makes thelower notes richer |
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| Adam | Sep 14 2009, 09:26 AM Post #36 |
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I believe the overtones could contribute....but what dhal said was mostly true, its REALLY hard to make a triple AC, that 3rd chamber is SOO small, which would be hard to make, and even harder to tune! C ya Adam |
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| shadowyi | Sep 14 2009, 08:30 PM Post #37 |
is a girl. [音之翼]
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In my experience at purely listening to vids... I'd prefer Maparam on basis of sound, but Focalink on basis of aesthetics. When it comes down to it though, I'd probably end up with the Maparam. Sound > looks in this case. |
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 14 2009, 10:42 PM Post #38 |
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I think it is worth it  -Desmond
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| kuraisong | Sep 14 2009, 10:49 PM Post #39 |
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| zombiefewd1 | Sep 14 2009, 10:54 PM Post #40 |
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Haha!! 
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| Crowler | Sep 15 2009, 12:18 PM Post #41 |
emergency medical hologram
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If you're looking for the one, 'best' of those three, I'd say that pros and cons weighed up, go for the MapAram if you're looking to play in the house, for yourself, perhaps for making videos. However, if you want to perform with your ocarina, either in a band, busking, just want to practice in the fresh-air and maybe be heard by others, I'd go for the Forte. So I'd say the MapAram if you want to play inside, and the Forte for outside. I'm sure they both sound great inside, though I'm not sure if you'd be getting your monies worth of the ocarina, and may as well save a bit for a MapaAram you'd appreciate as much. |
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| Ice | Sep 15 2009, 04:33 PM Post #42 |
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What about Nobles triple ocarina's? |
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| Crowler | Sep 15 2009, 04:37 PM Post #43 |
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Not the easiest ocarinas to get a hold of at the moment, and the shipping price is probably through the roof outside of Korea. However, there is an e-Bay store that's begun stocking Nobles, including the double, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Noble triple became easier to get a hold of in the near future. There's a review of the Noble double by Pororo in the reviews section. |
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| Elven Spellmaker | Sep 15 2009, 04:47 PM Post #44 |
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Plus the Noble Triples are odd in their fingering. PLEASE STOP MENTIONING THESE SILLY OVERBLOW NOTES... (  )At least on my Forte they are damn nearly impossilbe. Its range is A4-G7.... Edited by Elven Spellmaker, Sep 15 2009, 04:48 PM.
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| Crowler | Sep 15 2009, 05:08 PM Post #45 |
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Are they? I was sure they had the same fingering as normal, except with the extra hole to reach the highest note on the bottom chamber on the extra chamber, which just seems to be an added, but ignorable bonus. Maybe my internet sarcasm detector is being faulty, but I haven't heard anything wrong with the Forte's overblowing, though I can expect that, as with other instruments, you might need a bit of practice (not a huge amount, though). Luckily enough, Sam has just uploaded a video or the overblown notes on the Forte triple today, if you want to see them work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6SafwD_CI Overblowing's not hard. I'm sure if you really struggle someone with experience on the Forte could help you. I think I heard someone say that they thought you'd made some prejudice comments about it though, so you might just not be trying to get it to work, or looking for something to complain about. I might be remembering incorrectly, though. EDIT: Also, sorry if I was thinking about the wrong person! 
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