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| Noble ocarina's new Double ocarina; "Osawa-Noble" | |
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| Topic Started: May 24 2008, 02:35 PM (1,013 Views) | |
| kissing | May 24 2008, 02:35 PM Post #1 |
The Whistleblower
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I've been peering over Noble ocarina's website a bit lately, and came across something interesting! It appears as though they've made an "Osawa" signature Double ocarina. On the Noble website (www.nobleocarina.com) it says: The new Double ocarina by Noble, under the brand name "Osawa Noble" has been released in Japan today. It was made by Noble (Korea), and in co-operation with world famous ocarinist Osawa, it has become acknowledged as superior quality. The "Osawa Noble" Double ocarina is currently priced as the most highly valued Double ocarina, at 68 250 Yen at the Japanese ocarina site, http://www.10holes.com/ocarina/index.htm 68 250 Yen = $661 USD = $688 AUD = 419 Euros :blink: I guess signature products don't come cheap  In the Korean website, the regular Noble Double ocarina is about 90 000 South Korean WON (=$86 USD), while the "Osawa Noble" Double ocarina is 620 000 (=$593 USD). I wonder how good it could be... :omfg:  
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| teidon | May 24 2008, 03:04 PM Post #2 |
 
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I already posted about this in the Noble video directory thread couple days ago. Well, more visibility this way.
 Would be nice to have one of those things. Looks great and if Osawa likes it, it can't be bad.  The price just is little crazy. You could buy a Maparam Triple and couple other ocarinas with same amount of money. :mellow:
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| Andy | May 24 2008, 03:36 PM Post #3 |
Is Narcotic
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419€ ? :wacko: Whoa... wtf I'd rather buy a Maparam triple or stuff for that price. >___> Even though I have to admit that this thing is sexy. :3 |
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| Myung | May 24 2008, 07:19 PM Post #4 |
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It does look awfully pretty and it comes with a rather spiffy case :ph43r: I wish there was a video or some soundsamples of this ocarina. ...me is very curious about this one... |
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| ForestsRequiem | May 25 2008, 12:25 AM Post #5 |
Formerly Ocarinaman
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Wow! That is a hefty price but with a name like Osawa on it, we know it is good! But If I got one, I would have to go with the regular, I don't make enough money to buy such an Oc :cry: |
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| lamparin1905 | May 25 2008, 05:36 AM Post #6 |
Tomato's Young Padawan
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that ocarina looks damn good! the thing is that i cant even buy a maparam triple....so im not be able to buy this ocarina unless i save money for 2 months |
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| OcarinaNL | May 25 2008, 08:23 AM Post #7 |
Dutch Mod squad
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The pricing is insane!
:blink: But its pretty!! i would love one but dammm the price :cry: |
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| shadowyi | May 25 2008, 06:15 PM Post #8 |
[music of paradox]
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Ooh, I'm tempted. It has a very dignified, stately feel to it. It's ceramic I presume? Why on earth would a ceramic double cost so darned much? I could get a wooden harmony sweet pote for that price.. :unsure: |
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| kissing | May 26 2008, 08:40 AM Post #9 |
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The Whistleblower
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I'm guessing that while it probably is a pretty splendid ocarina, a lot of it is marketing hype  Afterall, "signature items" where someone famous is used as a brand name, are generally expensive due to their reputation. When it comes to ocarinas used by professionals (like Osawa?), perhaps the material doesn't really matter anymore either
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| teidon | May 26 2008, 09:13 AM Post #10 |
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And it's also possible that the "Osawa Noble" is just the normal Noble double ocarina with fancier name and shinier case. The finish is same as their other black ocarinas, and it looks much the same as Noble's normal doubles. Though, there could of course have been made some small adjustments that improves the sound quality. But I still think that of the 600USD, 400USD is due to the word "Osawa", some 50USD+ for the case and rest for the ocarina. |
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| OcarinaNL | May 26 2008, 01:45 PM Post #11 |
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You mean this on teidon? I love the black finish |
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| teidon | May 26 2008, 01:54 PM Post #12 |
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Yea, that one. I haven't noticed anything else different between them than the "Osawa" text. But as I said, there can be some improvements that doesn't affect the look. For example they might be using different clay for the "Osawa Noble" ocarina. They also have a black version of all their other ocarinas too. |
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| ImmortalOffspring | May 26 2008, 02:38 PM Post #13 |
One with the floor
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While the thing looks pretty, it is really expensive. And quite frankly, A Hind for 225 looks better. Don't like brand names. But I might change my opinion of the Ocarina if I where to hear some sound samples. |
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| teidon | May 26 2008, 03:13 PM Post #14 |
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Here is couple videos where Osawa Satoshi plays some triple ocarina that looks like it could be Noble Triple (color and shape matches, but I can't see if it has the Noble logo). They don't have triple ocarinas for sale yet, but they said in their site that it should be ready for sale sometime later this year. If the ocarina in these videos is Noble Triple, then it gives an idea of how Noble Double would sound like. These videos are from some kind of music festival held in Japan last year: http://www.nobleocarina.net/movie/japosa4.wmv http://www.nobleocarina.net/movie/japosa5.wmv http://www.nobleocarina.net/movie/japosa6.wmv |
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| masagamer | Jun 12 2008, 04:18 AM Post #15 |
KAJUKENBO fighting style
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It has the word osawa in it but osawa satoshi plays many other ocarinas as well for example Maparam. just because its used or named after osawa satoshi dosen;t mean its good or else maparams would be very pricy. or I could be completly wrong :lol: |
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| masagamer | Jun 12 2008, 04:21 AM Post #16 |
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KAJUKENBO fighting style
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lol it would be funny if some company named their ocarinas after people like paolo gavelli or someone on this forum! |
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| kissing | Jun 12 2008, 10:37 AM Post #17 |
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The Whistleblower
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There's a bit of a story regarding Noble's Double and Triple ocarinas. To the best of my knowledge, here is what happened. Maparam was first to produce the Double and Triple ocarina in Korea. The Maparam's Triple and Double was inspired by the Icarus Triple ocarina of Japan (the red one Osawa has), and he registered the patents for the unique features of Maparam's Double and Triple ocarina that he came up with. A while later, Noble Ocarinas releases their own Double and Triple ocarina, which Maparam believes to have copied their designs. Since copying someone's patented design is an offence, it was taken to court. Noble's main defence was that they too were inspired by the Icarus Triple ocarina, and so it is no surprise that their designs are similar with Maparam's. There seem to be conflicting views on whether this is justified. Nevertheless Maparam won the case and it was decided that Noble are not allowed to market their Doubles and Triples. However, some people managed to get their hands on the Noble Double and Triple before the sales were suspended. Here in Hao Lun Hsu's blog are photos of the Noble Triple compared to some others: http://album.blog.yam.com/show.php?a=piwen...&i=77458127&p=0 (top: Icarus middle: Maparam bottom: Noble) Recently, Noble has been able put their Double (and Triple) ocarina on the market again, after they have been (I think) redesigned. Their Double ocarina has an interesting feature called the "N-hole" which enables you to play the highest note of the first chamber in the second chamber. |
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| ForestsRequiem | Jun 12 2008, 12:36 PM Post #18 |
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Very interesting! Personally I like the look of the Maparam(and Focalink) triples more than the look of the Nable and Icarus, I like the one outer edge with a nice fluid shape, but I'm sure that the Icarus and Noble Ocarinas are still amazing so I would be happy to have one XD |
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| Moonsyne | Jun 12 2008, 02:57 PM Post #19 |
Creatively Processing
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I find the human story behind the ocarina interesting. I read through a babelfish translated description of the N hole, but yours was easier to understand. |
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| teidon | Jun 15 2008, 11:34 AM Post #20 |
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Noble started selling their Triple ocarina. Price is quite low, only 200 000 South Korean Won, which is about 190 USD or 125 EUR. Also it seems that there's going to be a Osawa Noble Triple ocarina. But if Osawa Noble Double is 620 000 South Korean Won, how much will Triple be? :blink: Here is video of Osawa Satoshi playing Osawa Noble Triple and Icarus Triple. Clicketh Also the same video of Osawa Satoshi playing Osawa Noble Double that Lamparin uploaded to Youtube, just better quality. Clicketh |
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| masagamer | Jul 15 2008, 08:23 AM Post #21 |
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KAJUKENBO fighting style
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Hey guys I am in Japan and could solve all are little problems of how wondering how good the osawa noble could be. since I am still in japan and 10 holes .com ships only to japan I checked the site. then I saw that I could buy the osawa noble and tell you guys the facts! but I am wondering if I should get the osawa noble or the maparam triple with the large amount of money I havegotten from my relatives I might not have another chance so I might go for the oswa noble!but do you think there is a way the osawa noble is like a similar thing to the maparam double? hmmm.. Il probably go for the osawa though. lol Im etting excited and keep typing
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| shadowyi | Jul 15 2008, 02:46 PM Post #22 |
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Hmm, I'd probably go for the Osawa myself. The Osawa has yet to be played by someone in the community, so it's relatively unknown. We're all quite familiar with the Maparam double. |
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| Nonayourbeeswax | Jul 15 2008, 04:49 PM Post #23 |
The Uber Ocarinist
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Yes it does just sound like a marketing scheme. But maybe if it was a Hao-Lun ,Hsu ocarina. Hmmmm. He He He. |
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| masagamer | Jul 16 2008, 12:10 AM Post #24 |
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KAJUKENBO fighting style
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I just would like to know does anybody know how fast 10holes.com makes shipping? I am in Japan for about another week so... |
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| Turbo852 | Jul 16 2008, 08:14 PM Post #25 |
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I'd say, go with whichever one you want more. However, this is a opportunity for the Noble, which may or may not come around again (How often are you in Japan?). I don't know how long they take for shipping. I'd say, send them an email right away to find out before it's too late. Plus, if you get the Noble, then I wouldn't be the only one on the forums with a Japanese ocarina! (unless there are others I don't know about) |
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| jaden911 | Jul 17 2008, 03:11 AM Post #26 |
Pendanters
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that's one awesome   man
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| masagamer | Jul 17 2008, 07:37 AM Post #27 |
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I am in japan like every summer to meet friends and family so ill have other chances if Im too late oh and they have an email? |
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| masagamer | Jul 18 2008, 03:58 AM Post #28 |
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KAJUKENBO fighting style
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Sorry for getting you guys hyped up about the noble but 10holes says they are out of stock so I settletd for the maparam triple |
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| kissing | Jul 18 2008, 03:29 PM Post #29 |
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The Whistleblower
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And a VERY good thing that it was out of stock. The price of that "Osawa Noble" is monstrously high, and I imagine that most of its value comes from its collectability. I'm sure its an awesome sounding ocarina - but that kind of money is simply too much. If I was buying a Noble ocarina at all, I would get a regular Noble ocarina instead, which is notably cheaper than the "Osawa" Noble. But good job on the Maparam! The Maparam Triple is my favourite! And well, just because there is an "Osawa" Noble, it doesn't mean its the only professionally acknowledged ocarina. The Maparam Triple is also a professional ocarina, which is used by Paolo Gavelli in his latest album - Ocarina Classica - Smile in the Spring. The only difference is that they don't make a big fuss out of it by calling it a "Gavelli Ocarina" and selling it for triple the cost  Maparam concentrates on making fine instruments, and the musician concentrates on his own music. Ditto for Focalink and Hao Lun.This really makes me wonder what the real motive behind "Osawa" Noble really is then $Just my thoughts on this..~! |
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| masagamer | Aug 3 2008, 03:28 AM Post #30 |
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Hey in the video with the triple I sware it said osawa |
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