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| Docjazz4's withdrawal from OU | |
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| Topic Started: May 5 2008, 09:11 PM (1,645 Views) | |
| shadowyi | May 5 2008, 09:11 PM Post #1 |
[music of paradox]
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Thought the TON community should know since the admin and mod staff won't be able to see his post on OU. |
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| flip | May 5 2008, 09:17 PM Post #2 |
"the switch"
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It is surprising but not all that unexpected (if that makes any sense at all). I guess that means that the forums can and will focus on what they are about: ocarinas. |
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| shadowyi | May 5 2008, 09:22 PM Post #3 |
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[music of paradox]
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A thought, is it possible the forums will come back together into one forum? :wacko: |
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| flip | May 5 2008, 09:32 PM Post #4 |
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"the switch"
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Doubtful. But I do hope that some people will be able to return to OU and that Moonsyne will repost her guides and that Myung's tabs will be back there too. But it may be too early to tell. |
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| DeepRed | May 5 2008, 10:22 PM Post #5 |
Official TON Signature Maker!
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It would be nice if the forums came back together, but I agree, highly doubtful. *Dang I only just noticed how irritatingly big my avatar is...another thing to fix on the to-do list...don't like this avatar anyway* |
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| Moonsyne | May 5 2008, 10:33 PM Post #6 |
Creatively Processing
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I believe that I am willing to repost all my guides if the people who were banned are restored. They might have other amends that they would want to be made to them first. |
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| lamparin1905 | May 5 2008, 11:52 PM Post #7 |
Tomato's Young Padawan
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I think this is really sad... David has been for me and for many people in this forum, the main reason why we bought or got to know the ocarina. I think he shouldnt leave the forum he had dreamed of |
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| zeph456 | May 6 2008, 12:18 AM Post #8 |
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I agree, David was the first person I found on youtube when I was trying to get info on the ocarina and inspired me to teach myself how to play. I hope he finds what he's looking for |
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| Mikael | May 6 2008, 01:47 AM Post #9 |
Does not approve of christmas
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Docjazz has lost all my respect for him over the last few months. The way he ran things at OU made me very uncomfortable and the fact that he banned me from OU along with the other admins and mods here at TON I find extremely distasteful. Furthermore there is proof that he was involved in the hacking of the forum and this is inexcuseable. While I do not resent him it is probably for the best that he withdraws from OU. Hopefully now we can focus on what we are really here for, the ocarina. Thank you for bringing us this information, shadowyi. |
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| shadowyi | May 6 2008, 01:57 AM Post #10 |
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No problem, I view this community as my home.
 I have refrained from elaborating on the rumors at OU out of respect for who is obviously so many people's idol, but since I'm here, I agree with you, inasmuch as I can since I've only been on these forums for five days. 
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| Moonsyne | May 6 2008, 01:58 AM Post #11 |
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It saddens me that there is still the sweep it under the rug mentality going on when details are not mentioned. Some might even suggest that 'affected by these rumors' part insinuates that the fault is clearly somebody elses. 
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| Mikael | May 6 2008, 02:08 AM Post #12 |
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Does not approve of christmas
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Yes that part of his post made me a bit angry. But then again I'm used to him being that way now and there is not much to do about it. |
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| lamparin1905 | May 6 2008, 02:26 AM Post #13 |
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I dont want to open this discussion again, but i dont really know what happened... i mean... what was the reason that triggered that "unknown" behavior in David? i mean... it is human to sometimes feel like taking revenge or feel extremely angry if someone has done something bad to us... im not trying to take any side... but sometimes we need to hear both sides of the story |
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| stevtomato | May 6 2008, 02:34 AM Post #14 |
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Hmm, yeah I expected that. Him being a really good Christian I sort of know that he would do this in the end. But please, let's not forget that through him, many know about Ocarinas. While he has lost my respect, I still am grateful for him. His contribution to the ocarina world is great. The people in the bible always go through this problem, power and fame gave them greed and I think he had been slightly strayed too. I just hope that he would be able to do both Ocarina and Christ, with knowing that Christ is still his priority. My prayers go to him. I do hope he will not stop his contribution to the Ocarina world (I don't think he can, XD). Other than that, The Ocarina Network will still be TON and running. Too much work had been done here. I do hope that people can have two homes =D |
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| Mikael | May 6 2008, 02:34 AM Post #15 |
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Does not approve of christmas
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Quite frankly I am not sure what triggered it. But I don't think there were any reason why he would want revenge. There were some pretty heated discussions and I as well as others gave him critique for the way he handled the forum. Other than that I don't know. |
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| stevtomato | May 6 2008, 02:37 AM Post #16 |
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I think I'll move this to Official announcement. Please take that as an honour to DocJazz, to show that he is not hated. Don't take that as a victory move. I'm moving this because it's a big news. And we want to really co-exist peacefully with OU. TON admins and mods, please don't veto what I did. |
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| shadowyi | May 6 2008, 02:56 AM Post #17 |
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Umph, I don't know how long it will stay up/how long it will stay unlocked, but there is now a poll at OU asking docjazz to stay. One line that concerned me was
by the poll starter. Being a pessimist, this could turn ugly. :unsure: Lamparin there is another post in our announcements that explains the views being expressed in this thread. |
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| Moonsyne | May 6 2008, 03:02 AM Post #18 |
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The hardest thing to do in life is admit your shortcomings, relinquish control, and continue on after doing both. I pray that he has that strength. With vindication and recompense comes forgiveness. |
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| Mikael | May 6 2008, 03:06 AM Post #19 |
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Does not approve of christmas
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I wouldn't worry about it too much shadowyi. There are of course people that don't know the whole story and take Docjazz' word without hesitation or further investigation into the matter. What matters is that we have our new place here and they can think whatever they want over at OU. We will not have any more quarrels with Docjazz (and STL) now that we have relocated. |
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| Turbo852 | May 6 2008, 03:56 AM Post #20 |
 
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It's probably for the best. I do think that he could remain part of the community, but his talents do not lie in administrating as much as helping people. In any event, I think a break is probably what he needs. I think that he should eventually come back though, but more as a regular member than staff. |
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| stevtomato | May 6 2008, 06:03 AM Post #21 |
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You are fast becoming one of the people listed in my favourite people list, not that I literally have one. That was well said. I do think he should stay in the ocarina community. What he had done was administrating and it seemed like heaps of controversies happened in that area. Leaving OU is just an extreme case. Rather than leaving OU, resigning as an Admin would be a better choice. I do hope that he would stay at OU, at least as a member. Not that I care, I mean him staying there as an admin would be ok too. Rumours. Rumours. Rumours. I do not understand the word choice here. Why did he say rumour? |
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| kissing | May 6 2008, 06:07 AM Post #22 |
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It is a little disappointing to see him go away for something like this. All it would have taken is to be a little more open about the truth and apologise for the things he did. Unfortunately, history shows us that this isn't his way of dealing with things, so it is no big surprise. But I do understand that he wanted to leave the community on a positive note. And perhaps in the name of peace, it is better in some ways. I will move on and TON will move on as long as the words he chose for his departure does not stir misinformed controversy against us. At this point, I don't think neither of us have much respect for each other as people. However til the end, I think we still have some respect for each other when it comes to purely ocarinas. He did give birth to OU, where a lot of our members originated from, and he also had a lot to do with the creation of TON. While I was never a big fan of his videos, his Group song video was my initial motivation to play on youtube and improve. I still remember the night that I posted my first video (OU Group Song 1), and the whole new world that it opened up for me. I don't hate him, or have lasting scorn, but more a sentimental pity and the feeling you get at the end of a spectacular thriller movie. All that drama packed into the short time..and now it's over. I bid farewell to the most influential figure in the youtube ocarina community. I do have a gut feeling that he's not really gone though. He will visit the forums, at least to keep an eye on what's going on. And perhaps even return....as a changed man? |
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| Ocarinar | May 6 2008, 04:11 PM Post #23 |
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Im pretty sure he will still be active on his YouTube account... |
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| beltino500 | May 6 2008, 05:12 PM Post #24 |
 
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He'll have to be, if he still wants to be a partner and continue to get paid for his videos |
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| stevtomato | May 7 2008, 12:09 AM Post #25 |
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=.= I think his love for the ocarina is the motivation there too |
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| vtxrider3 | May 7 2008, 12:51 AM Post #26 |
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I like him. I'm a simple minded man who has only recently started practicing the Ocarina. My daughter bought my first one and I love it. I have no idea why Mr. Docjazz4 decided to go away...but like I said, I liked him. What a wonderful talent he has. Anywho...I'm hoping everyone enjoys the music and I'm hoping I learn to play in a manner fit to listen to some day. What a wonderful dream to sit in my backyard playing, or playing for my family and realize that they want to hear my playing. What a wonderful fantasy. I hope it comes true. |
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| mehido | May 7 2008, 05:12 AM Post #27 |
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I don't know if it is just me or my twisted sense of morality, but... doesn't this all seem senseless and petty? I apologize for my blunt observations, but can a loosely knit society such as ocarinists (by this I mean the small numbers involved, and no offense meant) be built upon a foundation of finger pointing? Both sites, UO and TON seem to contain at least a slight bias, and this is seen by people who are newcomers (such as myself). And honestly, it makes me not want to communicate in any such way with a community that is quick to turn its back. On either side. Docjazz was the reason I seriously considered the Ocarina as an outlet of expression. Regardless of his preferred Ocarina brand (STL, which many seem to criticize him for), did he still not attempt to forge a community of united ocarinists? We all, even if our ability to admit it is limited, contain a bias towards a certain style or brand in most aspects of life. He had an idea of uniting the people who play the ocarina... and he had some success. When the idea came to fruition, the proposal of spreading the community came in to being... but when did division? I will never understand the feelings of those directly involved. Often emotions cloud reason and logic. My intentions are not to cast any guilt or blame upon either party, but is all this animosity worth the loss of new members to a divide in an English speaking ocarina community? As a newcomer, I realize that my voice is considered very low profile. However, I hope that you have at least taken some of what I have witnessed to heart... this situation truly is saddening. I have come to notice that some members of both communities are religious. I myself don't put much worth into a form of higher spirit, however the teachings of said Christian values will tell you many things such as turn the other cheek and knock the dust from your boots. Putting religion aside, and instead applying your own moral judgments, should the parties involved not seek a true and trust filled apology from both fronts? I say this not in defense of anyone, bu... given my background in computers, the "hacker evidence" presented could easily be misrepresented and even faked. I apologize again for this blatant and unrestrained flow of words, but I felt that it needed to be said. These are my opinions of the matter, and I wish you all the best in your future endeavorers. Again, I apologize if I offended anyone... this was not my intent. I only hoped to help resolved a matter that seemed unnecessary. On a side note, a song that I could not remove from my thoughts while writing this post is Korn - Wake Up. |
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| Moonsyne | May 7 2008, 05:48 AM Post #28 |
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Welcome to our forum newbie mehido. Express your opinions as you will! They are welcome enough. Here, nobody gets banned for them... or banned at all without fair and repeated warnings. |
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| kissing | May 7 2008, 06:02 AM Post #29 |
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I appreciate your piece of mind Mehido. I can understand your frustration and disbelief from what you are seeing as a newcomer. It is also good to see that you voice your opinions strongly - that is totally encouraged in this forum
As you said, Docjazz was great in that he started an ocarina community and encouraged many people (myself included) to join the fun. There is no doubt about the positive things he did, and nothing will change the fact his contribution was a great milestone to the online ocarina community. I am sorry that the recent events regarding him seem very saddening to newcomers, but unfortunately it's what we believe to be the truth and TON is not the kind of place that will hide the truth for the sake of reputation. We did not do it to give him a bad name, but to present to the members of this forum of what had happened. There is so much more that could be discussed regarding these matters - but I think it would be better to move on and talk about ocarinas Lasting controversy after his departure would be the last thing that Docjazz would have wanted. I think that's one thing him and I could agree on
 Let us return to the true purpose of these forums  .Best Regards, Sam. |
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| stevtomato | May 7 2008, 06:13 AM Post #30 |
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I do think it's pointless and it's also to the point of grave exaggeration. We have no need of any of the dispute that had happened in the past. I do think that everybody should be blamed for it, for I don't believe that any actions of any sides did not affect the situation, whether worse or better, at all. It is true that part of the reason to make another Ocarina related forum is due to the dispute we had. But it's also because we want to make a newer and fresher community that we dream of too. Like moving out from a parent's house. We, however, had no intention to withdraw from Ocarinas United. In fact, many of us admins and moderators were still posting in OU even after TON was launched. Unfortunately, due to some situations we could not go back to OU anymore. By that, I don't mean that it's entirely their fault that that happened, but it's also due to our fault. I know that the information and so called "proof" we have is also very small. We, however have reasons to believe that it's true, aside from the information that we had published. We will never publish such devastating news if we couldn't be sure of it. But once again, it's posted not to condemn David but to inform the members of what had been happening in the forum lately. We would do nothing to speak bad of somebody's name for the sake of revenge or mean intentions. I do also know that there seem to be a great deal of hypocrisy in my writing and I do apologise for not being able to express myself clearly. I believe we are in the situation where we can't explain. In the situation where things that we say seem like excuses and I do agree that that is partly our fault too. I also do know that this released information can cause a great deal of worry and uneasiness especially to the new members of The Ocarina Network. I would like to apologise, on behalf of The Ocarina Network and it's admins and moderators for anything that we have done wrong in the past. I would really wish that TON could co-exist peacefully, depending on each other, with OU. I do hope that David will come back to OU. I really hope so. There are a great deal of planning that he had done for OU. His vision for OU is just awesome for the future of Ocarinas and it would be a great shame if he were to leave that all behind. Other than that, we really should not think of this any more. We should put it aside and talk about Ocarinas and Music. |
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